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westcoastpsychedeliaandacidrock@yahoogroups.co.uk, "clearlight67"
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> As it's been a bit quiet recently I thought I post a page from the
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> THE NEW GENERATION
> Played with The Jaywalkers & The Charlatans Fillmore Auditorium
> 05/13/1966.

Hi I was googling and found this on the westcoast psychedelia...acid
rock yahoo groups.
Looks like you posted more than a year ago. Hope you are still around.
I was the bass player for the New Generation. We were all from the
los angeles suburbs of La Crescenta and La Canada. The group had 5
members. The Fillmore show was:
Chuck Wiley, lead vocals; Doug Williams, Lead guitar; Bill Cook,
rythm guitar; Greg Tully, drums; and myself Jack Nadelle, bass
guitar. We had a very big and loyal following in the early 60's and
played a number of clubs on the strip including The Sea Witch,
Gazzaris, Pandoras Box, Whiskey, It's Boss and the Hullabaloo (sp?)
Also some clubs on the coast that I can't remember the names of but
we played shows with the Buffalo Springfield, Love, Doors, among many
others before the Fillmore show.
Some of the other local guys who were our friends were John Merrill
from the Peanut Butter Conspiracy and Greg Mumford from the
Strawberry Alarm Clock.
After the Fillmore show our rythm guitarist, Bill Cook, who came from
a very wealthy family (unlike every one else in the band) was
restricted by his father from further participation in the scene as
the bad stories about drugs and hippies were broadcast and parental
paranoia began to escalate.
The new guitarist was Ira Ingberg <http://www.iraingber.com/> who's
big brother is Eliot Ingberg from Zappa's group Fraternity of Man
<http://www.united-mutations.com/f/fraternity_of_man.htm>
Our key to local success was our Lead Singer, Chuck, who was
charismatic in a way that our audiences loved. We did original
material, the standard cover material, and lots of Rolling Stone
material.
Last year, Ira came across some recordings we had done for Capitol
Records 41 years ago in Sept of 1966. They had been placed in a vault
somewhere in New Jersey(?) and rediscovered by Ira last year.
I have a kind of shitty website but if you follow this long link you
can
hear some of the material Ira found.

Unfortunately, I have zero photographs of the band or related
activities, there must be some out there but I don't have them.
Just a bit, if you would like more info, let me know.
Jack

Hi Jack,
thanks a million for getting in touch regarding the New Generation, it's
great to be able to find out a little more about the band. I was blown away
by the quality of the recordings on the site, have you guys any intention on
releasing the album you recorded for Capitol? By the way, I occasionally
exchange e-mails with John Merrill, I'll pass your e-mail address along to
John if you would like me to.
Thanks again for the info,
Cheers

Gray Newell

60sgaragebands.com

From: Jack Nadelle
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 12:51 PM
To: 'Mike Dugo'
Subject: Re: Fwd: New Generation

Thanks for the response. An interview sounds good. I may be able to forward it along to Ira and Doug .In our area I know for a fact we were one of the early garage bands before we hit the "big time" and started playing the hollywood clubs. We went from our drummers parents garage on the weekends where dozens of people would show up until we moved the whole deal to the porch of a local church (the rector was a drunk so had no problem with rock and roll) we called the shows "rock-outs" and hundreds of kids would show up.

As far as the interview goes you know what they say: "If you can remember, you weren't really there".

Did you have a chance to hear the music on my site? jacknadelle.com follow the button to the new generation page. Thanks Mike I look forward to more communication.

Jack

Thanks, Jack, for agreeing to an email interview. I appreciate your time with this! To answer your question, I've downloaded the New Generation songs and will listen to them during my morning commute tomorrow. I look forward to it!

I personally realize it's not easy recalling details from 40 years ago and it's even less fun typing out your recollections. We would, of course, greatly enjoy learning more about you and The New Generation. There is absolutely NO deadline, but if you decide you don't have the time nor desire to participate, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could please at the least email me the band members' names for the Archives. We're doing our best to create as complete a '60's band database as is possible. Thanks!

I try my best in my interviews to get a pretty detailed history of a band, so I hope you don't mind the long list of questions. The way I look at, there are literally thousands of bands from the '60's that don't ever get to have their stories told, and I try my best to change that. So...here goes:

Hi Jack,

I am really impressed by the quality of the material and the production values, some really wonderful recordings and pretty advanced for 1966. The live stuff is amazing too. Hopefully you will be able to get Capitol to part with the tapes, I would love to hear more. I'll send John a mail, I'm sure he'll be interested to hear about your site.

Thanks again

Gray

Thanks for the reply Gary. John Merrill was (is) a good friend of Doug Williams and may remember him more than me but please pass my e-mail on. Let him know about the site with the songs as well, He may be one of the few people around with first hand (ear) knowledge of the New Generation.

The music sounds great doesn't it ? Before Ira found the tapes and contacted us it had been at least 40 years since I last heard them. Frankly I had no independent memory of some of the songs until I listened a few times. I think what Ira found was the raw, unmixed recordings. Ira mixed and balanced everything for the songs on my site. (These recordings were made before the days of guitar tuners-you can really hear that!)

Capitol still owns the music and Ira is trying to see if we can buy the rights. Since there has been no interest since that time we are hoping it is not too expensive. After that it would be nice to get the music out.

Jack

Gray wrote:

Hi Jack,

I see you have changed the look of your site a little, it's looking =
great! I just thought I'd let you know that John made a follow up post =
regarding New Generation on the PBC site that you might want to use in =
the correspondence section.

Hope all is well,

Cheers

Gray

Clear Light <clear_light@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Jack,

I seem to have misplaced John's e-mail address, so I posted a message over at the PBC forum :

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/jason.penick/pbc/pbc_home.html

If you go to that link and click on "board" you will find the great message that John left in reply.

I hope all is groovy,

Cheers

Gray
The Peanut Butter Conspiracy Board Gray wrote:

I have recently been contacted by Jack Nadelle regarding his 60s band The New Generation. These guys played the Sunset Strip clubs and recorded an unreleased album for Capitol before splitting up. Jack said he and his band mate Doug Williams used to hang out with John Merrill and I wondered if John remembered them. There are some amazing live and studio recordings of the band, recorded by Nick Venet in 1966, available for download on Jack's site http://www.jacknadelle.com click on the New Generation button to get to the downloads.

Reply from John Merrill:

Sure Do. They were the best band to come out of my small home town of La Canada, (near Pasadena). They played the Hullaballoo, The Fillmore, Palladium, long before PBC was even formed.
Chuck Wiley, energetic lead singer, his older sister Michele was my age, in the same class at school. In fact, I think I went steady with her in seventh grade, for about two or three minutes. (weeks). Heavy. She was cool. She loved rock and roll as much of any of us.
Ernie Branch started it with Ernie and the Stringbusters, they, with Chuck, became the King Bees, and then Ernie was out just before or shortly after the New Generation formation. Jack Nadelle was great on bass.
These guys were rockin the local foothills while I was still doing folk music at Cal State LA in '63 and '64. When I got the Ashes going, then PBC, I was a bit busy and not hangin around town as much, so I didn't see those guys for a while; '66-'69.
A part of that band(s), Greg Tulley (drums), Earnie (singer/guitar), with Barbara(Sandi) and I became Froggy, a house bar band for two years plus at the Handlebars Saloon in Pasadena, '71-'73. What a party that was. A larger part of New Generation became the Smog Rock Rumblers at the same club and other clubs in '74-'75 made up of me, Ernie, Greg, Bill Cook, and Doug Williams, the later two guys switched off on lead guitar and bass. Another big party. I played werlitzer piano a lot in that band.
My younger brother was the same age as the guys in New Generation so I knew those guys growing up.
Ernie and the Stringbusters are still playing gigs. I sat in with them at a luau a couple weeks ago. Ernie's the only orig member. John

JACK wrote:

Hey John, great reply to Gray re: new generation. I have cut and pasted to my websites Generation area. Have you been there yet? jacknadelle.com follow the button to NG.
Thanks for the update on Froggy and Smog Rock, wasn't there another band when they all lived up on Angeles Crest Hiway? I remember Terry (last name?) was bass player doug and bill, maybe tulley-it was at the time Doug was building some kind of keyboard instrument that played prerecorded sound samples (analog!)and before Hound Dog Studios. Where are you these days-End of sept is LaCanada high school reunion. Earnie and the Stringbusters will play, I may sit in on a couple of numbers-total crash but I think will be cool.
Jack-
p.s.thanks again for the great synopsis!

John wrote"

I remember the house but I don't remember the band. I came to that house once, maybe twice, right around the time Al of the Peanut Butter Conspiracy got married, which must make this about late '67 or early 68? I do remember seeing drummer Greg Tulley there, and Ernie, but I don't know who all was in that band. I do remember at that house I watched Mission Impossible with Ernie, which was strange because I hadn't watched TV in over a year. I quit watching TV in the fall of '66 when PBC was living on Maltman in Silverlake. There were too many more exiting things going on... We had formed and were playing night and day. Our friends Clear Light were just forming. I think I finally broke down and bought a TV to watch the moon landing. When was that, '69?

And then on the same thread, Debra Gullo wrote:

Hi Earnie,
I remember you playing at the Handlebar Saloon in Santa Ana back in 73, 74 & 75. Loved your music back then and how much fun you guys were. So wonderful to know you're still loving what you do. I was a waitress at that bar. We had some great bar bands come through there but you guys were always a favorite.
Debi